Comments on: “War of the worlds” – a harmless 1938 prank, or an early psychological warfare experiment? http://botstudent.net/2014/war-worlds Exploring life, spirituality, and contemporary cultural issues via "The Basket of Tolerance" and other guideposts Tue, 26 Aug 2014 17:49:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: christina http://botstudent.net/2014/war-worlds#comment-38159 Sun, 27 Jul 2014 19:19:05 +0000 http://botstudent.net/?p=12270#comment-38159 maybe sometimes the teacher opens up a certain pathway, granted it may not be the glamourous path people feel they should be on, but it is a dirtier* one. One that has to be thoroughly exausted & exercised so that an additional awareness can come in & rest there. I have a teacher that is really quite excellent at showing the Love that exists in certain situation, that i was not sure was there, but it underlies everything~ when i felt the Love then certain tendancies relaxed in me & i was able to see them from another angle. But if my teacher had condemmed me for my actions, & put a negative energy on them, maybe things would be different. I tend to rebel against this world and so my tendancy is to do exactly the opposite of what i am told. I never met Osho, but some of his writings speak to me, others don’t.

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By: BoT Student http://botstudent.net/2014/war-worlds#comment-38158 Sun, 27 Jul 2014 17:04:21 +0000 http://botstudent.net/?p=12270#comment-38158 Hi there,

As long as people ask honest and sincere questions, I don’t mind it at all.

Regarding Osho… Let’s just say that I personally would not defend Osho or recommend him to others. Have you noticed that I never quote him on this site?

Regarding medicine… Adi Da recommended alternative health care and better yet, one’s own alternative health practices all the time. Often his students decided against much of his advice, and sought out other solutions. He was not opposed to allopathic care. He said that allopathic medicine sometimes is good for certain things, but it should not necessarily be the only thing people resort to if they want to be healthy. He actually put an enormous emphasis on diet and exercise and love and so on as primary health practices.

Now that I think of it, he also called his students who were doctors and acupuncturists and chiropractors and bodyworkers and homeopaths and so on, decades ago, to setup alternative and complementary clinics that would involve both allopathic and alternative medicine under one roof. Rather than these things being at war with each other, he tried to encourage people to work together in an atmosphere of respect. And with an emphasis on preventative care.

Regarding “promiscuity” and “desire”… I think I’m going to wait and answer your question in a full article on this site. I don’t know that I can do your question justice just by writing a few lines here, hidden under this article about the War of the Worlds thing. I think your question about teachers and their sex lives deserves a fuller treatment. Not that I’m some giant expert on this topic, but I think I have enough of an informed opinion on the matter that I could write something useful about it.

Certainly it’s an important topic and I’ve never understood why people are so “hush hush” about it.

How’s that?

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By: Parinirvana http://botstudent.net/2014/war-worlds#comment-38157 Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:51:18 +0000 http://botstudent.net/?p=12270#comment-38157 Sorry to keep this going, but this is a rather critical point I need clarifying.

Enlightenment is, supposedly, the end of desire.

So… what were these famous enlightened mystics doing, living in obscene opulence, having promiscuous, lustful sex with different partners, taking drugs, exploiting people for their own material ends, et cetera?

How many of them mentioned anything concerning conspiracies, or alternative healthcare?

Reading one of Osho’s books, he therein sings the praises of allopathic medicine, whilst claiming that all alternative medicine is a placebo only.

These are just a couple of examples of their inability to discern relative truth.

Knowing that most Westerners are materialists and highly cynical when it comes to anything but science as a means of exploring reality, why did these men so willingly fall in with the stereotypes they already held of ‘corrupt cult leaders’ and faux-spiritual conmen?

Why is nobody asking these questions, or answering them, straight up and minus the bullshit?

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By: BoT Student http://botstudent.net/2014/war-worlds#comment-38156 Sat, 26 Jul 2014 21:37:14 +0000 http://botstudent.net/?p=12270#comment-38156 I can’t claim to be an expert on enlightenment.

I can tell you that Adi Da once commented, using modern street language:

Nobody has ever realized God who was a humorless, pleasureless son of a bitch.

If I look at the history of this stuff, even Christian saints living cloistered celibate lives, even they seemed to have remarkable senses of humor sometimes, and took pleasure in simple things, not to mention profoundly pleasurable spiritual experiences.

Osho I’m not so sure I would want as a guru. Then supposedly there was some bad feelings, or feelings of betrayal, when it was discovered that J. Krishnamurti had a mistress or something. I don’t know much about that.

Adi Da had sex with women, but he never hid the fact that he was sexually active. That’s something I respect, as a man.

And dealing with women (or, let us say, the opposite sex) over time isn’t always a complete picnic, in my experience. Unless there’s something totally deluded or fake about the situation, I guess.

Chogyam Trungpa also had a mandala of women students around him at times. I have respect for Trungpa. If you want to look at “quiet minds”, there’s a video on youtube with Trungpa talking to J. Krishnamurti. Which one of them had a quieter mind? The one who ate p____ or the skinnier teacher who appeared to be far more disciplined outwardly?

Anywayz… I dig the way these tiered comment things lets us go off on tangents a bit. lol.

So yeah, renouncing our own deceits seems like a good thing if a person wants the world to reveal its secrets to us, as it says in one of the quotes at the end of the article.

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By: Parinirvana http://botstudent.net/2014/war-worlds#comment-38155 Sat, 26 Jul 2014 21:00:19 +0000 http://botstudent.net/?p=12270#comment-38155 Renunciation… I did wonder why I hesitated spelling it that way. Normally I’m hot on grammar and spelling; hopefully it isn’t the mercury I’m chelating at the moment, messing up my memory even more.

Many who had *apparently* made the big realisation were certainly not, at least outwardly, renunciates/ascetics. Osho (Rajneesh) didn’t exactly fit the bill, what with his fleet of Rolls Royces, luxury diamond-encrusted watches, nubile young ladies fawning over him, reputed drug use, and seemingly, exploitation of his devotees. Jiddu Krishnamurti called him a ‘criminal.’

Many direct the same accusations against your Adi Da, although that was just a cursory Google search I did.

Seems that enlightened folks, whilst Self-realised, are often radically different from one another in their outward expression. Ramana Maharshi and Nisargadatta, for example.

Anyway, I’d best stop spamming your blog, now. ^_^

My bad.

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By: BoT Student http://botstudent.net/2014/war-worlds#comment-38154 Sat, 26 Jul 2014 20:03:39 +0000 http://botstudent.net/?p=12270#comment-38154 Thanks for sharing Christina.

No TV sounds like a good thing. I haven’t watched any myself in about six months. It takes a certain reorganization of my time, but overall it feels freeing.

Yeah gremlins evaporating the jacuzzi water now and then must be irritating. :)

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By: BoT Student http://botstudent.net/2014/war-worlds#comment-38153 Sat, 26 Jul 2014 19:29:07 +0000 http://botstudent.net/?p=12270#comment-38153 In my experience, I think spiritual enlightenment tends to go hand in hand with street smarts.

People who pretend to be enlightened might be another story.

Then there’s people who are somewhat enlightened but simply don’t say much most of the time because they know nobody will believe what they have to say. Or maybe sometimes we need to think for ourselves a bit rather than always being told what is true.

Regarding “renunciation”… yeah that word probably gets used in all manner of ways. I was thinking of it in this article in the sense of letting go of vanity and so forth. Letting go of our own action of separativeness. Rather than some kind of strategic nasty cutting away of something.

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By: BoT Student http://botstudent.net/2014/war-worlds#comment-38152 Sat, 26 Jul 2014 19:21:05 +0000 http://botstudent.net/?p=12270#comment-38152 For folks reading this who are a bit slow like myself, I realized there’s another reference to this saying in Oliver Stone’s “JFK” movie, where Jim Garrison is talking with his subordinates about one of his suspects in the JFK assassination:

JIM
In 1963 that was the Office of Naval Intelligence – And just by coincidence, Banister, before he was FBI, was ONI. What do they say?

LOU
“Once ONI, always ONI”?

BILL
Well, he likes to work near his old pals.

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By: Parinirvana http://botstudent.net/2014/war-worlds#comment-38151 Sat, 26 Jul 2014 18:17:22 +0000 http://botstudent.net/?p=12270#comment-38151 Nobody made mention of the lizard people, yet? ^_^

According to many researchers, the Disclosure Project and UFO/abductee community is littered with them. Reptilian disinformation. Greer, Bartley, Collier, Meier…

Wouldn’t surprise me at all to find that David Icke is a reptoid. Alex Jones seems to be one, after all. There’s footage around.

As I believe, based on the information from these researchers, a conscious, wilful soul orientation against higher beingness eventually results in complete atrophy of the higher chakras/centers and the associated energies. All they are then left with is those chakras that correspond with the lower brain components, as expressed in the vessel as the basal ganglia, the ‘R-Complex’, and those bits responsible for base/low vibrational energies of survival and pure selfishness/evil, without any input from the higher love of the Heart, i.e compassion, empathy/sympathy, earnestness, honesty, et cetera.

That’s who (what) is running the world, and thus why it is like it is. They desperately want all of us to follow their example, hence the coercive attempts; chemical assaults on the brain, subliminals, pornography, philosophical materialism/’atheism’, violent treatment of young children, mind control programming, et cetera.

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