Comments on: “Tasting the Moon” – reviewing a candid, moving book http://botstudent.net/2014/tasting-moon Exploring life, spirituality, and contemporary cultural issues via "The Basket of Tolerance" and other guideposts Tue, 26 Aug 2014 17:49:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: BoT Student http://botstudent.net/2014/tasting-moon#comment-38175 Sun, 03 Aug 2014 14:05:14 +0000 http://botstudent.net/?p=12829#comment-38175 Thanks for sharing Lynne.

Yeah I have no way of knowing for sure with 100% of her details, but I also get the sense that Meg is being candid and accurate in her telling of this story. Which I appreciate.

I think that’s why I was moved to write a positive review.

It’s taken me a long time to begin to become a more honest person, speaking for myself. There are subtleties of honesty, and of being honest with myself, that takes a while to learn about, it seems. It’s like the more honest I can be with myself, then the more honest I seem to be with others, if that makes sense. And vice versa.

In any case, I feel this book is a bit of a rare gem, while also being very ordinary and earthy. And I haven’t even read the second half yet.

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By: BoT Student http://botstudent.net/2014/tasting-moon#comment-38174 Sun, 03 Aug 2014 13:49:41 +0000 http://botstudent.net/?p=12829#comment-38174 Hi Parinirvana,

I think, on further reflection, I don’t actually have any interest or motivation in responding to the webpage you linked to. I do this blog for free, in my free time, and basically I just write about stuff that I’m personally interested in exploring. There was a point years ago where I read everything I could find that was negative about Adi Da, for months, and I came to my own conclusions about all of that. I don’t really have any interest in doing all that again.

Here’s a page that might answer some questions: http://www.adidaupclose.org/Lawsuits/lawsuits.html also http://www.aboutadidam.org/questions/lawsuits/brian_interview.html

There’s a saying in Tibet that a true guru is like a fire – if you get too close you will get burned, and if you are too far away you won’t get any warmth. Each person might have to determine for themselves if a particular person is a true guru or not – I don’t know if it’s enough to take another person’s word for it. Some people claim to be true gurus whereas they might not be. Other people might not claim anything and yet have a profound understanding and experience of life.

And even aside from whether someone is a true guru…. I really do find that if our motives are pure, truth tends to reveal itself to us, and we tend to avoid certain kinds of misfortune. If our motives are not pure – even if we think they are – then we could find ourselves getting into trouble sooner or later, no matter where we are. Even just reading about controversies and allegations can create problems if we’re doing it merely to entertain ourselves, I find. If we’re doing it out of a genuine need to find out the truth, then it’s probably a safe thing to explore.

So depending on what genuine need or interest I feel, I might try to do an article about “crazy wisdom” as a general topic. It’s less likely that I will try to do one about Adi Da specifically.

And I definitely won’t be trying to comment on specific allegations about this or that. How could I have anything useful to say about specific events or alleged events if I wasn’t there when they happened?

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By: Lynne http://botstudent.net/2014/tasting-moon#comment-38173 Sun, 03 Aug 2014 12:00:22 +0000 http://botstudent.net/?p=12829#comment-38173 I have been pondering my response to your review as I read Megs book when first published and while I had a strong response at the time I cannot remember much now. I pulled it back down off the shelf yesterday and did a quick glimpse through. What I mainly remembered was having a strong reaction to Meg sharing about intimate sex with Adi Da and something about a birthday cake that I could not quite pull to mind. I read it over a very short period back then and it seemed very purifying to me. I often have a sense of being in a process with Adi Da and I remember feeling this strongly while reading the book. I am also a dancer so many of Megs experiences somehow felt real to me, like it was me there with her and him. It is a very candid and brave life story of an extraordinary life with a spiritual master.

Funny, and this is what I mean by a mysterious process, just now I picked the book up to try and find that cake bit and the first page that I open is the page where that story began. So I just reread it again. As someone who did not spend time in the physical company of Adi Da, Meg’s honesty and directness really touched me. The section I reread talks about her recognizing how much she valued the ‘human’ aspect of the relationship with Adi Da and her confrontation with the God/guru as Adi Da invited her to a more renunciate relationship to him. I really feel that when I read Megs book it was a kind of shakeup about some romantic idol image I had projected onto Adi Da which somehow didn’t allow me to know the gifts he gave in his body and as his body. I also reread the bits relating to what Bhagavan revealed sexually to Meg and the previous reactivity, which was not negative, just discombobulating to my imaginings of how things were, had gone.

It is a big read but for those who want accurate real life experiences from folks who lived with Adi Da then this type of source can be relied on. Adi Da has always taught his devotees about the necessity for self understanding and what is unique in many devotee stories is this quality of devotion to Adi Da and an honesty about the limitations of their own character in relation to what he reveals to them. That always really appealed to me and was part of what drew me to him.

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By: Parinirvana http://botstudent.net/2014/tasting-moon#comment-38172 Sun, 03 Aug 2014 11:22:41 +0000 http://botstudent.net/?p=12829#comment-38172 Note that the website referenced above *apparently* quoted from several of Adi Da’s long-time disciples, and was a spiritual website that otherwise featured all kinds of stuff; not solely devoted to slandering Adi Da, unlike some of the blogs on ‘Osho.’

I still consider Rajneesh (Osho) to have been enlightened, by the way, despite his errant behaviour. Watch some of the vids on YT. Look at the abundant, reflected light in his eyes, the tone of his voice.

It was all there.

Perhaps the question is, if there is no ego, how does a Jnani behave? What is the basis of his behaviour?

Does he just leave it all to the body-mind machine? What if the machine is malfunctioning or damaged?

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By: Lynne http://botstudent.net/2014/tasting-moon#comment-38171 Sun, 03 Aug 2014 10:57:35 +0000 http://botstudent.net/?p=12829#comment-38171 Hi Parinirvana. I think you asked a good question. I went and had a quick glimpse at the site. It is pretty typical of a number I have seen that blast Adi Da and Adidam. There are a number of sites and folks who actively work to destroy him and his work. I read them all when I was first curious about Adi Da but many seemed so outrageous and obviously fuelled by a particular aversion to Gurus that I did not take it to seriously. At some point I was more attracted to finding out real facts rather than much removed information. I look forward to an extended post on it here.

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By: BoT Student http://botstudent.net/2014/tasting-moon#comment-38170 Sat, 02 Aug 2014 18:24:06 +0000 http://botstudent.net/?p=12829#comment-38170 As long as people’s comments are honest and genuine and based on good intentions, there’s no problem.

Nobody has derailed any comment sections on this blog.

I’m glad you asked the questions you did. Adi Da’s community is suffering from an enormous amount of fantasy, pretend, hiding, fakery, turning away from the world, fear, cultism, and weirdness.

Thank God there are people who raise honest questions.

God bless you, sir.

Don’t ever let anyone suppress your honest questions.

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By: BoT Student http://botstudent.net/2014/tasting-moon#comment-38169 Sat, 02 Aug 2014 18:15:08 +0000 http://botstudent.net/?p=12829#comment-38169 May I ask why you’re not attracted to read the book? Just out of curiosity. You can send me a private message or post a response here.

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By: BoT Student http://botstudent.net/2014/tasting-moon#comment-38168 Sat, 02 Aug 2014 03:57:19 +0000 http://botstudent.net/?p=12829#comment-38168 Well, what I meant is that it’s not an official publication of an institution.

I didn’t mean to suggest that individual devotees did not like the book or did not approve of it. I bought my copy at the MOA bookstore, where people told me they loved the book.

Adi Da asked for books of stories to be published for years, but essentially none ever were. So these things are a creative matter perhaps. Thankfully I’m not in the loop with that stuff.

Maybe I shouldn’t have mentioned that part, but I thought it would appeal to some people to state it that way. Some people in the world are understandably leery of spiritual groups but are more open to hearing one person’s story about something they went through. I’m kind of that way myself!

Well it’s always interesting the variety of responses that come through with these blog posts. Thank you for sharing Daniela. :)

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By: Daniela http://botstudent.net/2014/tasting-moon#comment-38167 Sat, 02 Aug 2014 03:06:01 +0000 http://botstudent.net/?p=12829#comment-38167 Thanks for this post. I am not attracted to read Meg’s book, but it was interesting to read your comments about it. I am extremely surprised it was published by her without formal approval by Adi Da’s Community of devotees!
I am a member of the 3rd Congregation of Adidam and strongly feel that your blog is your own creation, so do not give in to pressures to make it into what you do not feel reflects your own heart’s passions :)

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