Comments on: Suicide: a promising remedy, a false hope, a reminder of life’s trials? http://botstudent.net/2014/suicide Exploring life, spirituality, and contemporary cultural issues via "The Basket of Tolerance" and other guideposts Tue, 26 Aug 2014 17:49:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.2 By: BoT Student http://botstudent.net/2014/suicide#comment-38219 Tue, 26 Aug 2014 17:49:25 +0000 http://botstudent.net/?p=13121#comment-38219 Sorry to hear that.

Not paying attention to TV or the news sounds like a smart idea. I gave up TV last winter, and recently gave up Facebook. Kind of a relief from distraction I don’t need.

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By: BoT Student http://botstudent.net/2014/suicide#comment-38218 Tue, 26 Aug 2014 17:28:52 +0000 http://botstudent.net/?p=13121#comment-38218 Thanks man.

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By: Paul http://botstudent.net/2014/suicide#comment-38217 Tue, 26 Aug 2014 03:17:00 +0000 http://botstudent.net/?p=13121#comment-38217 I really enjoyed this post. I was really sad about Robin Williams passing and this was a heartfelt and helpful consideration.

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By: Parinirvana http://botstudent.net/2014/suicide#comment-38216 Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:11:23 +0000 http://botstudent.net/?p=13121#comment-38216 I think that such experiences actually have incalculable spiritual value, as detachment and dispassion are called for, plus conscious, constant discrimination between the non-Self/ego, and the Self/Spirit.

If you simply see these thoughts and feelings as neither you nor yours, not under your control, how could they even be an issue? It’s the false identification with these phenomena that causes the suffering, and that false identification perpetuates itself, if left unchecked.

I’ve gone through some similar things (I gift orgone too, BTW), and I have found the above to be generally accurate.

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By: Lynne http://botstudent.net/2014/suicide#comment-38215 Fri, 22 Aug 2014 22:03:45 +0000 http://botstudent.net/?p=13121#comment-38215 It is such an interesting thing. I know I am not speaking from the deepest of place in relation to where you point Parinirvana, so I am qualifying what I am saying…. but……as a mother, if I threw myself on my child to save her life as a heavy something as it fell on her, knowing it would crush me, would that be an acceptable form of suicide?

I kinda get that Gillian had some of that going on for her family and the State as she called it. Preventing their suffering. I know there are other ways. I have read both beautiful and horrendous stories associated with dementia.

There is an opportunity to transcend limitation in any moment and your last sentence seems very true to me.

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By: Parinirvana http://botstudent.net/2014/suicide#comment-38214 Fri, 22 Aug 2014 21:03:58 +0000 http://botstudent.net/?p=13121#comment-38214 I have to agree with the BOT student.

I think that it is a challenge for any of us, myself included, to accurately gauge just how precious this life is, until we are truly facing the end. No way back.

Consider how much the Divine Intelligence has brought forth, just to get us here in these bodies, able to even reflect upon the very nature of That which brought us here, and even become It in time, as is our destiny.

Think of the atoms, cells, micro-organisms, minerals, et cetera, that functioned for our construction, and indeed, still are functioning right now. Each an equitable part of the Self, experiencing and working as that expression affords.

Can you grasp the deep divinity behind that? The reality guiding you through all of these thoughts, feelings, and experiences?

We are all part of an unimaginably vast ocean of Love. One Love.

Alone, we are but a formless essence of the Love/Reality. The rest has been granted to us, by the other expressions of that same Love, and ‘their’ sacrifices, struggles, sufferings, and loves.

With that in mind, look upon all you have been given.

I myself have neurological issues not at all dissimilar from the lady linked on that site, albeit less severe. But I’m also much, much younger, and have several other issues besides, that most others I know have never had to deal with.

From what I have just seen she lives in a seriously plush, opulent home in a beautiful, picturesque portion of New Zealand, surrounded by an abundance of chlorophyll, negative ions and general nature goodness. She can express herself intelligibly. Quite well, in fact.

I dare say that she could have found ways of dealing with her deteriorating memory, or perhaps even alternative healthcare means of arresting the rate of decline, despite her age.

Very few people on this planet appear to have the level of awareness necessary to approach life meaningfully and with full sincerity.

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By: Lynne http://botstudent.net/2014/suicide#comment-38212 Fri, 22 Aug 2014 00:27:18 +0000 http://botstudent.net/?p=13121#comment-38212 Hmm. I don’t have an answer to your question. It seems she had a variety of reasons for taking her life. They seem primarily altruistic from her point of view.

She certainly seems to have not been a vegetable. She considered it and left a form of gift in her wake. We have no idea if she regretted the decision as she begun moving through the death process.

I also viewed a video of her family speaking in the last few days. They were obviously heartbroken but maintaining a relationship of sorts with her even now. I appreciated that.

And I feel my limitations of point of view. Like life is a straight line or something. But psychically this is not so. I have sometimes commented to friends that maybe this is the afterworld now. They have laughed . But really, there is such a dream quality to this place, a plasticity that is really tangible. So when I feel to her I kinda grok a logic but I cannot hang onto it for very long.

Would I have held her hand as she died. Hard call but I think so, for now anyway. If I suffer dementia do I feel I would consider suicide as an option for myself. I doubt it.

Same room, different scene. All around.

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By: BoT Student http://botstudent.net/2014/suicide#comment-38211 Thu, 21 Aug 2014 23:23:03 +0000 http://botstudent.net/?p=13121#comment-38211 I just checked out the link.

Are boredom and discomfort reasons to take a life?

The words on the website seem cogent enough. It doesn’t sound like the author is a vegetable. But to each their own I guess.

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By: Lynne http://botstudent.net/2014/suicide#comment-38210 Thu, 21 Aug 2014 02:02:55 +0000 http://botstudent.net/?p=13121#comment-38210 Okay, I just viewed a video and visited a website called deadatnoon.com which has been posted by Gillian Bennett, post the taking of her own life on Monday.

I have to say that I support her brave choice and how consciously she planned her death with a bigger picture in mind. It does not appear to be a foolish death as Sri Nisargadatta Majaraj suggested in Parinirvana’s post.

Each death stands on its own merits so it seems to me. Her measure and understandings of the world dictated her death. In another context with a different understanding or point of view she might of done otherwise but within the integrity of her conscious awareness this process seems honest to me.

More food for thought for us anyway.

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